>> i was at youthful studios in the break room. >> we were home on a snow day in hampton, virginia. so we watched it on tv at home. it broke into my sister's soap operas and she was upset. >> john: i was in school and there was a tv in the common area where the kids could watch. it is still very recent to me. when i was a kid i got really into nasa because i got really into the right stuff. i read tom wolfe's book. i was really involved in the shuttle movement as a kid. i was a total astronaut freak. it was so devastating. and largely forgotten really in the culture along with the "columbia" disaster as well. people forget the first two shuttles were both tragically destroyed. >> that's right. >> i remember apollo one. >> that was before my time. >> john: apollo with grisham the second american in space. >> part of the problem was since his -- problem with the hatch on the mercury, they made it very difficult to open the hatch on the apollo capsule. they didn't have a minute. so that was one of the major changes they made. >> good morning to discuss on nasa tragedies. >> good mornin